Episode 45

Leadership Development Through Music with Susan Drumm

When a song doesn't vibe with us, we skip it. But what about life's unsettling tunes? How do we change or mute the ‘internal playlist’ that throws us off? Our next guest shares how.

Meet Susan Drumm, CEO of Meritage Leadership Development, advisor, USA Today bestselling author, and leadership coach. She has personally coached billionaire CEOs, high-profile political figures, prominent Fortune 100 executive teams, and incredible entrepreneurs that are setting out to disrupt the marketplace.

She holds graduate degrees from Harvard Law, Carnegie Mellon University, and the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art. She's a two-time number one bestselling author of "The Leader's Playlist", where you unleash the power of music and neuroscience to transform your leadership and your life. 

In today’s episode, we uncover how our childhood wounds show up in our ability to lead others and how music can actually heal those wounds. We delved deeper to understand how music can interrupt old beliefs of ‘old patterns’, and the role of self-awareness in rewiring our leadership styles. 

Join Ashish, Susan, and I in exploring the healing power of music and change the way we lead.

Things you will also learn in this episode:


  • The link between past traumas and leadership.
  • How music can be a game-changer in healing and leading.


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The Happiness Squad Podcast with Ashish Kothari
Unlock your full potential with the Happiness Squad podcast! Host Ashish Kothari, Founder & CEO, brings leading experts to help you live with more joy, health, love, and meaning. Discover the art and science of happiness to live and operate at your best.

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Ashish Kothari

Ashish Kothari is the Founder and CEO of Happiness Squad, a company focused on democratizing happiness and touching a billion+ lives over the next 20 years and helping them live with more joy, health, love, and meaning.

Prior to founding Happiness Squad and writing his best-selling book “Hardwired for happiness”, Ashish spent 25 years in consulting, including the last 17 at McKinsey and Co, a premier management consulting firm, helping thousands of clients and their organizations achieve breakthrough performance by building new mindsets and capabilities.

Ashish is a trained ontological coach and a lifelong student of human thriving.